Comments on: A few questions for Imran Khan http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan The first witness is thine own consciousness. See thyself, then, with thine own light Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Factual http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-4037 Factual Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:47:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-4037 Dear Probyn Would you like to elaborate ,how the egyptian embassy bombing in any way is connected to  the conditions of FATA today?About swat,here you have totally over looked the history of swat as an independent state.In that era Swat people enjoyed swift justice at their door step.when they find themselves besieged by Pakistani corrupt set of laws they had no other option but"cry over spilt milk".Call it Nizam-e-adl or what ever but the reality is those people want justice which they are not finding in the current pakistani judicial system , in fact nobody is finding in Pakistan.Academic discussions on a problem is one thing and finding practical solution is another ,I hope you appreciate that Imran khan has atleast some solution to the problem ,I don't know who else has the solution other than the United states? Dear Probyn
Would you like to elaborate ,how the egyptian embassy bombing in any way is connected to  the conditions of FATA today?About swat,here you have totally over looked the history of swat as an independent state.In that era Swat people enjoyed swift justice at their door step.when they find themselves besieged by Pakistani corrupt set of laws they had no other option but”cry over spilt milk”.Call it Nizam-e-adl or what ever but the reality is those people want justice which they are not finding in the current pakistani judicial system , in fact nobody is finding in Pakistan.Academic discussions on a problem is one thing and finding practical solution is another ,I hope you appreciate that Imran khan has atleast some solution to the problem ,I don’t know who else has the solution other than the United states?

]]> By: Probyn http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-4024 Probyn Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:58:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-4024 Thanks for sharing this Saad. It made for an interesting and sad read.   Interesting that the tactical nature of your questions was completely missed by Dr. Alvi but that could also be deliberate as they would require direct answers. Answers that would require positions to be crystallized and be made apparent.   Sad in the sense that it has been painful to observe the very public unravelling of IKs credibility and even sanity in my own eyes. It is always painful to see a childhood hero be reduced to a reactionary caricature. Although I believe that IKs personal integrity remains and will remain beyond reproach. But that hasnt been a shield against him allying himself with those that have been pre-1947 enemies of the middle/lower middle class Muslim salariat.   IK/PTIs contention that there were Suicide bombings pre-2001 are utter nonsense. I believe the first instance was the egyptian embassy in 95. Also, I believe that Supah Sahaba raiders that massacered Shia Muslims in their mosques all thourgh the 90's also counted a sort of suicide attack. So again, all these were ideology based. IK for some inexplicable reason does not realise that the core motivation that folks such as the TTP have is Takfeer. Im sure you are well versed what what kind of a fitna that is. Now, once you are at the receiving end of an ideologically based killing spree, whether 8% or 80% of such groups have been defeated by any military action, any state of individual is left with no option but to fight. The only other option is to submit and be overwhelmed because the state does not have the stomach for the fight. It is here that I find IK almost unforgivable. While my friends and coursemates have been fighting and dying (leaving behind small kids), IK plays a role of almost the anti-churchill. He knows he commands credibility and right earned yet his message to the Jawan in the trench fighting the Takfeeri animal in what is, by my accounts, the most ferocious close quarter combat on the planet, is that you Jawan/young officer are a mercenary. I will never forgive him for that. I happen to believe that regardless of a state's technical and financial capacity to fight, total public buy in and no surrender mentaility of the general public can prove insurmountable to even the most hardy enemy. He states that he knows the enemy and is better able to understand and engage them but I feel it is the opposite. It's almost that he has gotten high off his own supply and started to believe some artificial construct where drones force these honourable tribals to become animals. Again, unless Takfeer as the guiding force behind these people (not to mention the almost 50 USD per day being paid to some TTP fighters in some areas) is aknowledged, we will coontinue to fail and the blood of my comrades will be spat upon by IK who STILL thinks that Nizam e Adl was a good idea and a genuine demand of the people. There is a reason why he hasnt been to Swat since it's liberation. The local populace would hound him out for his childish and Jamati views. It's one crying, fucking shame the man IK has become. For a while there I thought he was the one. Thanks for sharing this Saad. It made for an interesting and sad read.
 
Interesting that the tactical nature of your questions was completely missed by Dr. Alvi but that could also be deliberate as they would require direct answers. Answers that would require positions to be crystallized and be made apparent.
 
Sad in the sense that it has been painful to observe the very public unravelling of IKs credibility and even sanity in my own eyes. It is always painful to see a childhood hero be reduced to a reactionary caricature. Although I believe that IKs personal integrity remains and will remain beyond reproach.
But that hasnt been a shield against him allying himself with those that have been pre-1947 enemies of the middle/lower middle class Muslim salariat.
 
IK/PTIs contention that there were Suicide bombings pre-2001 are utter nonsense. I believe the first instance was the egyptian embassy in 95. Also, I believe that Supah Sahaba raiders that massacered Shia Muslims in their mosques all thourgh the 90′s also counted a sort of suicide attack. So again, all these were ideology based.
IK for some inexplicable reason does not realise that the core motivation that folks such as the TTP have is Takfeer. Im sure you are well versed what what kind of a fitna that is.
Now, once you are at the receiving end of an ideologically based killing spree, whether 8% or 80% of such groups have been defeated by any military action, any state of individual is left with no option but to fight. The only other option is to submit and be overwhelmed because the state does not have the stomach for the fight.
It is here that I find IK almost unforgivable. While my friends and coursemates have been fighting and dying (leaving behind small kids), IK plays a role of almost the anti-churchill. He knows he commands credibility and right earned yet his message to the Jawan in the trench fighting the Takfeeri animal in what is, by my accounts, the most ferocious close quarter combat on the planet, is that you Jawan/young officer are a mercenary.
I will never forgive him for that.
I happen to believe that regardless of a state’s technical and financial capacity to fight, total public buy in and no surrender mentaility of the general public can prove insurmountable to even the most hardy enemy.
He states that he knows the enemy and is better able to understand and engage them but I feel it is the opposite. It’s almost that he has gotten high off his own supply and started to believe some artificial construct where drones force these honourable tribals to become animals.
Again, unless Takfeer as the guiding force behind these people (not to mention the almost 50 USD per day being paid to some TTP fighters in some areas) is aknowledged, we will coontinue to fail and the blood of my comrades will be spat upon by IK who STILL thinks that Nizam e Adl was a good idea and a genuine demand of the people.
There is a reason why he hasnt been to Swat since it’s liberation. The local populace would hound him out for his childish and Jamati views.
It’s one crying, fucking shame the man IK has become. For a while there I thought he was the one.

]]> By: Saad http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-91 Saad Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:37:59 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-91 To fight with the 'fisherman', we need a long term plan. That not only involves improving our defenses but also the living conditions of our 160 million people. That said, in the short run, we should not lose the sight of fighting / changing / editing this particular ideology set as well. For at the very least, it shall allow us to establish some sort of control over the situation. But, frankly speaking, I'll beg to differ about your assertion that ideology is not responsible for the sudden rise in terrorism related events, in Pakistan. Whilst, there is no denying that foreign entities are in fact responsible for 'bucking' them up. If you read more in to the ideology, you shall see that this particular clan actually rejoices the fact that God Almighty is delivering to them, from those 'who do not believe', in order to enable them to fight for their cause. It's not just one side which knows how to play this 'game'. To fight with the ‘fisherman’, we need a long term plan. That not only involves improving our defenses but also the living conditions of our 160 million people.

That said, in the short run, we should not lose the sight of fighting / changing / editing this particular ideology set as well. For at the very least, it shall allow us to establish some sort of control over the situation.

But, frankly speaking, I’ll beg to differ about your assertion that ideology is not responsible for the sudden rise in terrorism related events, in Pakistan. Whilst, there is no denying that foreign entities are in fact responsible for ‘bucking’ them up. If you read more in to the ideology, you shall see that this particular clan actually rejoices the fact that God Almighty is delivering to them, from those ‘who do not believe’, in order to enable them to fight for their cause. It’s not just one side which knows how to play this ‘game’.

]]> By: Saad http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-3706 Saad Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:37:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-3706 To fight with the 'fisherman', we need a long term plan. That not only involves improving our defenses but also the living conditions of our 160 million people. That said, in the short run, we should not lose the sight of fighting / changing / editing this particular ideology set as well. For at the very least, it shall allow us to establish some sort of control over the situation. But, frankly speaking, I'll beg to differ about your assertion that ideology is not responsible for the sudden rise in terrorism related events, in Pakistan. Whilst, there is no denying that foreign entities are in fact responsible for 'bucking' them up. If you read more in to the ideology, you shall see that this particular clan actually rejoices the fact that God Almighty is delivering to them, from those 'who do not believe', in order to enable them to fight for their cause. It's not just one side which knows how to play this 'game'. To fight with the ‘fisherman’, we need a long term plan. That not only involves improving our defenses but also the living conditions of our 160 million people.

That said, in the short run, we should not lose the sight of fighting / changing / editing this particular ideology set as well. For at the very least, it shall allow us to establish some sort of control over the situation.

But, frankly speaking, I’ll beg to differ about your assertion that ideology is not responsible for the sudden rise in terrorism related events, in Pakistan. Whilst, there is no denying that foreign entities are in fact responsible for ‘bucking’ them up. If you read more in to the ideology, you shall see that this particular clan actually rejoices the fact that God Almighty is delivering to them, from those ‘who do not believe’, in order to enable them to fight for their cause. It’s not just one side which knows how to play this ‘game’.

]]> By: Momekh http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-88 Momekh Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:33:33 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-88 *(please, I do NOT say 'weak' to point out a flaw ... ) *(please, I do NOT say ‘weak’ to point out a flaw … )

]]> By: Momekh http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-3705 Momekh Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:33:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-3705 *(please, I do NOT say 'weak' to point out a flaw ... ) *(please, I do NOT say ‘weak’ to point out a flaw … )

]]> By: Momekh http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-87 Momekh Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:32:43 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-87 Well though-out questions. The rise is terrorism in Pakistan has nothing to do with ideology as suggested by you. Agreed, ideology plays the part of a hook, and without the hook, there is no fish. But the fisherman is the real deal, not the hook. I can not agree more with you that ideological loopholes left unfilled by our failings are now used with great affect to lure in the weak of mind & faith (teenagers etc). (please, I do say 'weak' to point out a flaw, I believe it is a 'feature' of people at that agegroup, generally). But I think you should consider, and then pursue further (in this interview'ing manner and others etc), the high possibility of a direct involvement of 'external forces'. I also understand that external forces is now a loaded word, so much so that it is considered a scape goat of sorts. I do not use it like that. The fact that the Balochistan insurgency going on for years is a direct result of RAW and CIA collaboration, the fact that Shia-Sunni rioting has a direct link to India's RAW, the fact that CIA and Mossad had a direct link in Pakistan's political scene since God knows when - all these are not only for consideration, but for us - as Muslims, as Pakistanis, as bloggers, as writers - to wake up a bit more and smell the steaming cup-o-java brewing under our noses. Although I support PTI for the sad fact that I have no other party to support, I think the party's stance as pointed out in your insightful mini-interview is well rehearsed. The fisherman is not ideology. Remove ideological loopholes from the equation not with the intent of removing the terrorism virus, but for the sake of correcting the ideology. The fisherman will find some other bait, some other set of tools, to sit out on the corner, waiting. Well though-out questions.
The rise is terrorism in Pakistan has nothing to do with ideology as suggested by you. Agreed, ideology plays the part of a hook, and without the hook, there is no fish. But the fisherman is the real deal, not the hook.
I can not agree more with you that ideological loopholes left unfilled by our failings are now used with great affect to lure in the weak of mind & faith (teenagers etc). (please, I do say ‘weak’ to point out a flaw, I believe it is a ‘feature’ of people at that agegroup, generally).

But I think you should consider, and then pursue further (in this interview’ing manner and others etc), the high possibility of a direct involvement of ‘external forces’. I also understand that external forces is now a loaded word, so much so that it is considered a scape goat of sorts. I do not use it like that. The fact that the Balochistan insurgency going on for years is a direct result of RAW and CIA collaboration, the fact that Shia-Sunni rioting has a direct link to India’s RAW, the fact that CIA and Mossad had a direct link in Pakistan’s political scene since God knows when – all these are not only for consideration, but for us – as Muslims, as Pakistanis, as bloggers, as writers – to wake up a bit more and smell the steaming cup-o-java brewing under our noses.

Although I support PTI for the sad fact that I have no other party to support, I think the party’s stance as pointed out in your insightful mini-interview is well rehearsed. The fisherman is not ideology. Remove ideological loopholes from the equation not with the intent of removing the terrorism virus, but for the sake of correcting the ideology. The fisherman will find some other bait, some other set of tools, to sit out on the corner, waiting.

]]> By: Momekh http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-3704 Momekh Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:32:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-3704 Well though-out questions. The rise is terrorism in Pakistan has nothing to do with ideology as suggested by you. Agreed, ideology plays the part of a hook, and without the hook, there is no fish. But the fisherman is the real deal, not the hook. I can not agree more with you that ideological loopholes left unfilled by our failings are now used with great affect to lure in the weak of mind & faith (teenagers etc). (please, I do say 'weak' to point out a flaw, I believe it is a 'feature' of people at that agegroup, generally). But I think you should consider, and then pursue further (in this interview'ing manner and others etc), the high possibility of a direct involvement of 'external forces'. I also understand that external forces is now a loaded word, so much so that it is considered a scape goat of sorts. I do not use it like that. The fact that the Balochistan insurgency going on for years is a direct result of RAW and CIA collaboration, the fact that Shia-Sunni rioting has a direct link to India's RAW, the fact that CIA and Mossad had a direct link in Pakistan's political scene since God knows when - all these are not only for consideration, but for us - as Muslims, as Pakistanis, as bloggers, as writers - to wake up a bit more and smell the steaming cup-o-java brewing under our noses. Although I support PTI for the sad fact that I have no other party to support, I think the party's stance as pointed out in your insightful mini-interview is well rehearsed. The fisherman is not ideology. Remove ideological loopholes from the equation not with the intent of removing the terrorism virus, but for the sake of correcting the ideology. The fisherman will find some other bait, some other set of tools, to sit out on the corner, waiting. Well though-out questions.
The rise is terrorism in Pakistan has nothing to do with ideology as suggested by you. Agreed, ideology plays the part of a hook, and without the hook, there is no fish. But the fisherman is the real deal, not the hook.
I can not agree more with you that ideological loopholes left unfilled by our failings are now used with great affect to lure in the weak of mind & faith (teenagers etc). (please, I do say ‘weak’ to point out a flaw, I believe it is a ‘feature’ of people at that agegroup, generally).

But I think you should consider, and then pursue further (in this interview’ing manner and others etc), the high possibility of a direct involvement of ‘external forces’. I also understand that external forces is now a loaded word, so much so that it is considered a scape goat of sorts. I do not use it like that. The fact that the Balochistan insurgency going on for years is a direct result of RAW and CIA collaboration, the fact that Shia-Sunni rioting has a direct link to India’s RAW, the fact that CIA and Mossad had a direct link in Pakistan’s political scene since God knows when – all these are not only for consideration, but for us – as Muslims, as Pakistanis, as bloggers, as writers – to wake up a bit more and smell the steaming cup-o-java brewing under our noses.

Although I support PTI for the sad fact that I have no other party to support, I think the party’s stance as pointed out in your insightful mini-interview is well rehearsed. The fisherman is not ideology. Remove ideological loopholes from the equation not with the intent of removing the terrorism virus, but for the sake of correcting the ideology. The fisherman will find some other bait, some other set of tools, to sit out on the corner, waiting.

]]> By: iFaqeer http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-72 iFaqeer Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:23:43 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-72 Mentioned this article in our Urdu podcast at: http://azadkarachiradio.blogspot.com/2008/02/program-011-december-2008.html Mentioned this article in our Urdu podcast at:

http://azadkarachiradio.blogspot.com/2008/02/program-011-december-2008.html

]]> By: iFaqeer http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-for-imran-khan/comment-page-1#comment-3703 iFaqeer Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:23:00 +0000 http://abdullahsaad.com/80-a-few-questions-from-imran-khan#comment-3703 Mentioned this article in our Urdu podcast at: http://azadkarachiradio.blogspot.com/2008/02/program-011-december-2008.html Mentioned this article in our Urdu podcast at:

http://azadkarachiradio.blogspot.com/2008/02/program-011-december-2008.html

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