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巴基斯坦军队的第一次手术在斯瓦特

巴基斯坦联邦政府的巴基斯坦军队部署的部队,在2007年年底,为了遏制TNSM斯瓦特地区定居的活动。 特派团继续在近半年和巴基斯坦军队搏斗控制斯瓦特后面的山谷。 数百名武装分子被打死,逮捕或监禁。 而战斗本身的问题并没有消失,它显著载和人民形成核心TNSM的庇护,甚至军事,发生在偏远和难以到达的Peochar山。

这是为了履行2008年大选期间所作的承诺,在西北边境省的ANP的新成立的政府,拉到一个插件上的操作,并呼吁军队回。 此外,他们还会见了TNSM来自巴基斯坦的监狱,和谈开始前释放其所有成员的需求。 这是由于这些早期的和平协议,TTP / TNSM得到了喘息的空间,他们非常需要的。 现在,他们不再被垄断到一个特定的地形位,并没有数百研究员在监狱了,因为他们都得到了释放。 这导致了另一种生活运动的租赁。 无论心钠素的原因,抛出这一和平协议的巴基斯坦军队的努力,过去六个月的窗口像垃圾。 牺牲,包括斯瓦特自己的人,努力做,成为了泡影。

心钠素以来已受到威胁TNSM / TTP放弃他们的作用,在政府或其他面临报复。 数万其成员已被杀害,截至目前,大部分属于斯瓦特山谷的部长,是居住在白沙瓦或伊斯兰堡。 这里是希望他们吸取了教训。

什么是停止从服用TNSM头的军队,就像他们在巴焦尔TTP的吗?

在非常简单的话,这个问题的答案在于我们有太多的战线,在同一时间,在事实。 例如,我们有大的部署,这是要留很长一段时间来在,Darra Adamkhel(在自己的权利的故事)。 那个地方已经稳定了极大的困难,但感谢上帝,我们已经成功地把它控制之下。 巴焦尔仍然是一个活跃的战场,尤其是Mamond,Nawagai和Nawapass,甚至周围地区哈尔。 莫赫曼德正在燃烧,我们目前正在争取,就像在巴焦尔。 操作是活跃在开伯尔机构,这方面很可能在未来几个月中成为更多的问题。 和我们碰巧有一个围绕南/北瓦济里斯坦和这些势力的大规模部署,绝对不能被用于任何其他用途。 而且,如果这是不够的,我们有另一个快速上升Orakzai机构形状的热点。

一直苦恼我的问题之一,是在斯瓦特如何武装分子能够得到他们的资金和武器装备,特别是因为斯瓦特不同意与阿富汗接壤的吗? 让我这样说,他们有几十重仓的汽油/柴油耗油4×4车辆。 他们带动了很多。 不管你做什么,燃料是不便宜。 他们从何处获得财政,因为这? 不管是什么来源,它的最大单一原因,为什么他们仍然活蹦乱跳。

现在,走在灰色和他们的斯瓦特河谷的相应位置标在地图,好好看看。 然后问自己,如果它只是一个共同的发病率,叛乱已突然消失了,在所有的机构,周围的斯瓦特。 回答这个问题,你就会有这个问题的答案,在哪里做这项运动的谎言动脉饲料。

直辖特警地图

不幸的是,因为巴基斯坦军队正在争取多方面的,它采取了相当长的时间,一切恢复前下控制。 因此,我没有看到斯瓦特很快被稳定。 我个人的信念是,如果我们设法安抚巴焦尔,莫赫曼德,开伯尔和Orakzai在不久的将来,它会大大吓倒在斯瓦特TNSM的作战能力,扩大它在一定程度上,他们变得​​无足轻重。

我们作为一个国家,付出非常沉重的代价,浪费了过去八年来,以争论与否,我们正面临着一个实际的叛乱或者如果我们甚至需要面对这样的组织。 这是现在,我们真正找到了,我们不能的后果到达后,诸如恐怖主义问题上达成共识。 无法到达后,决定是一个错误的决定比实际更糟。 在前者的情况下,你不仅度过你的行动的后果,但也重复这个永恒的循环,直到你能够坚持你的头沙,面对现实。

为什么军事行动证明不足以遏制在斯瓦特地区的战斗呢?

在我看来,有几个原因为什么斯瓦特问题可能是还没有解决的时机已经成熟:

  • 巴基斯坦人民没有充分认识和承认塔利班作为一个问题。
  • ANP的政府未能采取打击塔利班的明确立场。
  • 有证据表明,与TNSM参与当地人的数量,在这篇文章的第一部分讨论的原因,是大到足以造成严重的问题,与军事努力。
  • 平民政府无法采取军队清除一个地方时,即由陆军提供的空间优势,它然后填写并否认这个空间来武装的警察,FC和政府部门的责任。 这包括采取措施以非法化TNSM的存在。
  • 一个相当无知的媒体的努力,在政府和军队的一部分,为了更好地展示他们的论点的一面。 在任何给定的一周中,我们看到了更多的报表比出来ISPR在同一时期内,所有新闻稿公布TTP和TNSM的代言人乌尔都语记者。

需要做什么?

  • 首先,我们需要采取非常的原因,如TNSM即实施一个适当的司法和治理系统在马拉根德师的武装组织的存在合法性的照顾。 尼扎姆éADL(根据伊斯兰教法律,但巴基斯坦政府的司法系统),应该是“按照当地民众的”意愿“立即执行。 介意,我并不想暗示巴基斯坦政府投降TNSM的无理要求,而是应该听取老百姓的面积。
  • 其次,他们应该保持在斯瓦特河谷超过通信手段的严格控制。 这包括所有蜂窝通信,电子邮件,道路,桥梁等保持一个标签
  • 果酱他们最有力的宣传工具,即调频发射机。
  • 发现他们的资金来源,并阻止它。 对于没有运动,不论如何致力于无论是其追随者,可以继续在武器方面没有钱和积极协助。
  • 直辖处理更加迫切。 因为如往年一样,在斯瓦特使用的资金和武器,都源自联邦直辖部落地区。 他们需要从北瓦济里斯坦到斯瓦特去所有的方式,通过几个机构,减少动脉。
  • 得到他们的共同行动,在信息战方面。 如果一个单一的半岛电视台纪录片带来的变化海青少年(它已被下载,烧在CD和巴基斯坦在不同的教育机构传播)点。 为什么不能ISPR,这是仇恨的材料,培训手册和这些组织的活动的证明文件的保管,没有想出一个更好和更详细的纪录片吗? ISPR还应当提供获取这些材料,以私人的媒体渠道,这反过来又可以帮助挥洒舆论。 虽然我没有太大的希望,从一个特定的通道,喜欢把自己塑造成本身的真理和公正的堡垒,它是什么喜欢,但。 其他网点私人媒体仍然在他们做什么好。 我真的很想看到塔拉特·侯赛因,得到一个机会,为半岛电视台Rageh Omaar。
  • 尝试不释放武装与武装分子举行和谈的前兆。 考虑到我们被愚弄了不是一次,而是多次,我们是不断下降,同样的陷阱,一而再,再而再次耻辱的事实。

我并不是说我的文章中提出的问题,是莫名其妙的银弹,这就需要我们为了得到这个泥潭。 但它是我真诚地相信,它至少实现一个解决方案的第一步。 我很想知道,你是什么,读者,不得不说有关此主题的。 和你想怎么结束叛乱分子在斯瓦特带来?

为了读这篇文章的第一部分,请点击这里

  • http://www.reallyvirtual.com/ Sohaib Athar

    良好的工作萨阿德。 我有机会观察近10年前,与朋友斯瓦特当地人互动。 他是电信专业销售电话交换设备在斯瓦特许多酒店,所以,我通常不会触及游客在斯瓦特地区漫游。
    当时我发现当地人是一个非常友好,心胸开阔的人,而不是宗教狂热分子,他们提出要一堆。
    即使在正规的旅游目的地,有成群漫游在裙子周围的西方游客的一个短裤和没有胡子mullas,迫使他们来掩饰自己的皮肤,有走私犯公然叫卖churs和酒,从字面上它是一个多元文化的环境。 也许十年带来了一场革命,是好还是坏,足够的时间。

    我清楚地记得,虽然很多地方是从字面上财大气粗,他们简单的生活方式和破烂的衣服,价值数百万美元的企业,他们在全国各大城市拥有巨大的反差。 即使有一个共同的议程和大银行账户与几十人,他们不必担心汽油价格上涨将在其4x4s和赞助商的武器。
    也许我们需要的是在斯瓦特,其中真正的swati人可以来分享他们的残局未管制的有关意见,我们/他们已经通过媒体向我们喂回收的东西,而不是创建几个现场的摄像头。

    • 萨阿德

      多久,他们将被指望这些企业,如果他们使用的是融资去叛乱在巴基斯坦境内,通过它们产生的钱吗? 难道你不认为他们会被关闭吗?

      至于现场的网络摄像机位,我真的很希望看到它成真。 =)

  • http://www.reallyvirtual.com Sohaib Athar

    良好的工作萨阿德。 我有机会观察近10年前,与朋友斯瓦特当地人互动。 他是电信专业销售电话交换设备在斯瓦特许多酒店,所以,我通常不会触及游客在斯瓦特地区漫游。
    当时我发现当地人是一个非常友好,心胸开阔的人,而不是宗教狂热分子,他们提出要一堆。
    即使在正规的旅游目的地,有成群漫游在裙子周围的西方游客的一个短裤和没有胡子mullas,迫使他们来掩饰自己的皮肤,有走私犯公然叫卖churs和酒,从字面上它是一个多元文化的环境。 也许十年带来了一场革命,是好还是坏,足够的时间。

    我清楚地记得,虽然很多地方是从字面上财大气粗,他们简单的生活方式和破烂的衣服,价值数百万美元的企业,他们在全国各大城市拥有巨大的反差。 即使有一个共同的议程和大银行账户与几十人,他们不必担心汽油价格上涨将在其4x4s和赞助商的武器。
    也许我们需要的是在斯瓦特,其中真正的swati人可以来分享他们的残局未管制的有关意见,我们/他们已经通过媒体向我们喂回收的东西,而不是创建几个现场的摄像头。

    • http://abdullahsaad.com 萨阿德

      多久,他们将被指望这些企业,如果他们使用的是融资去叛乱在巴基斯坦境内,通过它们产生的钱吗? 难道你不认为他们会被关闭吗?

      至于现场的网络摄像机位,我真的很希望看到它成真。 =)

  • jmes

    优秀的文章,但没有涵盖所有的points.what到底是我们inteligence机构doing.if他们是外国资金参与,他们需要使公众是沙特阿拉伯或任何其他盟国的国家,谁是试图破坏所有pakistan.second ,我dunt认为巴基斯坦军队已全心全意后,武装分子在斯瓦特的了,直到我们为何此一只。原因必须public.was的SWAT只是一个试验场的东西的形状come.was穆沙拉夫deliberatly以便帮助tsnm反恐战争可以延长,他和一些特定的将领和c orrupt政客受益......会不会是tsnm现在控制的ISI和接受外国资金动摇region.everyting是不是这么黑,白先生可以挑saad.the governmnet和扣留任何人indefiitely,但穆斯林汗fazlullah,和乐队的暴徒被允许自由走动,并给记者conferences.If的F *** ING混蛋是这么大的暴徒,我们的政府应该做的是什么警察不逮捕他们的家人,并可能在公开场合羞辱他们,使他们看到的reason.That技术为警察工作非常好,因此为什么不尝试在swat.give我休息plz.i我不是阴谋论,但你必须看在大的图片。

    • 萨阿德

      你看过这篇文章的两个部分?

  • jmes

    优秀的文章,但没有涵盖所有的points.what到底是我们inteligence机构doing.if他们是外国资金参与,他们需要使公众是沙特阿拉伯或任何其他盟国的国家,谁是试图破坏所有pakistan.second ,我dunt认为巴基斯坦军队已全心全意后,武装分子在斯瓦特的了,直到我们为何此一只。原因必须public.was的SWAT只是一个试验场的东西的形状come.was穆沙拉夫deliberatly以便帮助tsnm反恐战争可以延长,他和一些特定的将领和c orrupt政客受益......会不会是tsnm现在控制的ISI和接受外国资金动摇region.everyting是不是这么黑,白先生可以挑saad.the governmnet和扣留任何人indefiitely,但穆斯林汗fazlullah,和乐队的暴徒被允许自由走动,并给记者conferences.If的F *** ING混蛋是这么大的暴徒,我们的政府应该做的是什么警察不逮捕他们的家人,并可能在公开场合羞辱他们,使他们看到的reason.That技术为警察工作非常好,因此为什么不尝试在swat.give我休息plz.i我不是阴谋论,但你必须看在大的图片。

    • http://abdullahsaad.com 萨阿德

      你看过这篇文章的两个部分?

  • http://www.wccftech.com/ 欧麦

    你告诉每一件事,但这些武装分子是如何在不同的机构和管理自己的大本营心钠素如何设法使和平协议,甚至没有责怪专门的军事情报部门的原因。

    1 - 如果他们知道这些武装分子可以做什么,那么为什么在地球上,他们让ANP的释放这些囚犯?

    2 - 如果他们低估了他们多少次,他们故意低估这些武装分子吗?

    3 - 难道我们的军队,尤其是三军情报局真的相信,他们可以控制的塔利班和使用他们,每当他们想要或反之亦然?

    4 - 因为你试图传达一个信息,这个问题从阿富汗一侧的未来,我们应该(陆军,ISI,政治官立)采取的立场和公开手指点这些根源? 最重要的是如果这些武装分子正在(这在我看来他们是)一些forigen元素然后他们的议程是什么? 伊斯兰法律的实施? 拜托你比这更聪明.. :)

    5 - 每次你和我讨论这些主题,你总是说一些这样的婷

    “巴基斯坦人民没有充分认识到并承认塔利班作为一个问题”

    告诉我为什么要巴基斯坦人民痛恨塔利班? (别以为我爱他们为第二),但我的意思是,我们为什么要恨他们吗? 我们的军队,ISI创建他们与中央情报局的帮助,我们永远不会被视为“资产(S)”,仍然是我们的军队杀害那些有自己的议程......

    (陆军,ISI),仍然相信,每当我们想和永远描绘成一个问题,我们可以使用它们。 因此,应巴基斯坦人民真的开始相信塔利班邪恶轴心?

    PS:你欠我的生日晚宴

    • 萨阿德

      1。 军队的举动,让ANP的释放这些武装分子背后的想法是相对简单的了解。 下创(R)穆沙拉夫8年后,军队想'作秀',它已经走平民事务。 因此,让心钠素做什么,他们认为罚款。

      2。 肯定是有一种看法,在那里,三军情报局认为这些组织作为资产。 我相信,某些组织肯定仍然如此青睐,我们将继续在阿富汗的影响。 我不反对,不一定。 世界上每一个单一的情报机构(为不称职的除外),与激进组织,罪犯,帮派,走私等有接触和链接

      这么说,我相信有一个认识,我们在家是不健康的。 知觉是很难打,但我不认为ISI或MI参与任何双人游戏,不再。 问题是有点不同。 70年代后期以来,有整整一代人过于深入参与创建和疏导思想的怪物,得到的情报人员。 在这个过程中,他们得到了激进。 是的,充分的证据。
      因此,基本上,在房间里的大象是不打一盘双人游戏,但某些官员的三军情报局。 如果你注意如何组织已在过去几年的经营,你会看到这些军官们如何梳理出充足的见证。 其人,这些武装分子提供了重要的信息,清楚地边缘的战斗。 这些人都知道的机构和军事而外。 正如你所看到的,最终的结果是致命的。

      3。 没有人低估了武装了。 这是地面上的政治和事实之间的斗争。

      4。 你忘了武装,部分TTP和TNSM的提出的论点的基本前提。 我试图在我的第一篇文章以及提高这一点,但猜测它没有作出标记。 如这些武装分子想要一个代码,系统的法律,这是'解释'他们和标示为“伊斯兰教”。 再次阅读我的第一篇文章中,为了更好地理解这一点。

      否则,祈祷向我解释,“伊斯兰教法”允许亵渎尸体,或吹学校的? 这是我几乎总是超过极力写对。 我们的人民已经采取好战的法律版本,适当的“伊斯兰教”。 他们希望你能与其他混淆,你非常愿意这样做。 这是所有关于这一威胁是什么。

      5。 没有你恨将军(R)穆沙拉夫,因为他站在反对的事实,他也曾经是这片土地的儿子,和我们社会的产物,但在这个国家的法律和宪法,? 你也不会恨强盗,杀人犯和强奸犯,因为他们滥用的社会,他们的一部分,其法律的嘲弄? 同样,如果有一群人,战斗为准旗帜,选择,以使贵国的法律的嘲弄,它的宪法,并尝试建立自己的并行系统治理,你为什么要表现与他们有什么不同?

  • http://www.wccftech.com 欧麦

    你告诉每一件事,但这些武装分子是如何在不同的机构和管理自己的大本营心钠素如何设法使和平协议,甚至没有责怪专门的军事情报部门的原因。

    1 - 如果他们知道这些武装分子可以做什么,那么为什么在地球上,他们让ANP的释放这些囚犯?

    2 - 如果他们低估了他们多少次,他们故意低估这些武装分子吗?

    3 - 难道我们的军队,尤其是三军情报局真的相信,他们可以控制的塔利班和使用他们,每当他们想要或反之亦然?

    4 - 因为你试图传达一个信息,这个问题从阿富汗一侧的未来,我们应该(陆军,ISI,政治官立)采取的立场和公开手指点这些根源? 最重要的是如果这些武装分子正在一些forigen元素(这在我看来他们是),然后什么是他们的议程? 伊斯兰法律的实施? 拜托你比这更聪明.. :)

    5 - 每次你和我讨论这些主题,你总是说一些这样的婷

    “巴基斯坦人民没有充分认识到并承认塔利班作为一个问题”

    告诉我为什么要巴基斯坦人民痛恨塔利班? (别以为我爱他们为第二),但我的意思是,我们为什么要恨他们吗? 我们的军队,ISI创建他们与中央情报局的帮助,我们永远不会被视为“资产(S)”,仍然是我们的军队杀害那些有自己的议程......

    (陆军,ISI),仍然相信,每当我们想和永远描绘成一个问题,我们可以使用它们。 因此,应巴基斯坦人民真的开始相信塔利班邪恶轴心?

    PS:你欠我的生日晚宴

    • http://abdullahsaad.com 萨阿德

      1。 军队的举动,让ANP的释放这些武装分子背后的想法是相对简单的了解。 下创(R)穆沙拉夫8年后,军队想'作秀',它已经走平民事务。 因此,让心钠素做什么,他们认为罚款。

      2。 肯定是有一种看法,在那里,三军情报局认为这些组织作为资产。 我相信,某些组织肯定仍然如此青睐,我们将继续在阿富汗的影响。 我不反对,不一定。 世界上每一个单一的情报机构(为不称职的除外),与激进组织,罪犯,帮派,走私等有接触和链接

      这么说,我相信有一个认识,我们在家是不健康的。 知觉是很难打,但我不认为ISI或MI参与任何双人游戏,不再。 问题是有点不同。 70年代后期以来,有整整一代人过于深入参与创建和疏导思想的怪物,得到的情报人员。 在这个过程中,他们得到了激进。 是的,充分的证据。
      因此,基本上,在房间里的大象是不打一盘双人游戏,但某些官员的三军情报局。 如果你注意如何组织已在过去几年的经营,你会看到这些军官们如何梳理出充足的见证。 其人,这些武装分子提供了重要的信息,清楚地边缘的战斗。 这些人都知道的机构和军事而外。 正如你所看到的,最终的结果是致命的。

      3。 没有人低估了武装了。 这是地面上的政治和事实之间的斗争。

      4。 你忘了武装,部分TTP和TNSM的提出的论点的基本前提。 我试图在我的第一篇文章以及提高这一点,但猜测它没有作出标记。 如这些武装分子想要一个代码,系统的法律,这是'解释'他们和标示为“伊斯兰教”。 再次阅读我的第一篇文章中,为了更好地理解这一点。

      否则,祈祷向我解释,“伊斯兰教法”允许亵渎尸体,或吹学校的? 这是我几乎总是超过极力写对。 我们的人民已经采取好战的法律版本,适当的“伊斯兰教”。 他们希望你能与其他混淆,你非常愿意这样做。 这是所有关于这一威胁是什么。

      5。 没有你恨将军(R)穆沙拉夫,因为他站在反对的事实,他也曾经是这片土地的儿子,和我们社会的产物,但在这个国家的法律和宪法,? 你也不会恨强盗,杀人犯和强奸犯,因为他们滥用的社会,他们的一部分,其法律的嘲弄? 同样,如果有一群人,战斗为准旗帜,选择,以使贵国的法律的嘲弄,它的宪法,并尝试建立自己的并行系统治理,你为什么要表现与他们有什么不同?

  • http://teeth.com.pk/blog 牙大师

    你再次做到了:)做得好 - 合理淘汰计划 -

    连接未来很快...... ;)

    • 萨阿德

      感谢这么客气,DOC。 =)

  • http://teeth.com.pk/blog 牙大师

    你再次做到了:)做得好 - 合理淘汰计划 -

    连接未来很快...... ;)

    • http://abdullahsaad.com 萨阿德

      感谢这么客气,DOC。 =)

  • http://unitedstudentsfederation.blogspot.com/ 户珊

    精辟的分析。 最大的和最重要的问题是这个国家的麻木不仁的态度。 大多数人没有意识到什么,在斯瓦特,从而无法区分它在联邦直辖部落地区的叛乱和在阿富汗的民族抵抗。 每个地区都有不同的问题,还涉及所有人民的历史恩怨,除非区域办法适应,它不会是可能的,以遏制这些地区的战斗。 令状和国家主权是重要的,它必须建立,这是唯一可能与当地人的帮助下,给他们他们想要的东西是正确的,有效的司法和公民的基础设施。

  • http://unitedstudentsfederation.blogspot.com/ 户珊

    精辟的分析。 最大的和最重要的问题是这个国家的麻木不仁的态度。 大多数人没有意识到什么,在斯瓦特,从而无法区分它在联邦直辖部落地区的叛乱和在阿富汗的民族抵抗。 每个地区都有不同的问题,还涉及所有人民的历史恩怨,除非区域办法适应,它不会是可能的,以遏制这些地区的战斗。 令状和国家主权是重要的,它必须建立,这是唯一可能与当地人的帮助下,给他们他们想要的东西是正确的,有效的司法和公民的基础设施。

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  • http://www.chowrangi.com/ Kashif

    它真的很难消化,如果事情是显而易见的,画在这里,为什么ISI和建立思维元首是无法对付的威胁? 我个人认为是发生在斯瓦特和FATA是一个大游戏的一部分,对巴基斯坦disection的领导。 和我们的成立是所有,但在游戏中的棋子。

    至于对人漠不关心的态度,我们已经看到这一切在卡拉奇。

    • 萨阿德

      威胁可能是显而易见的,但它肯定不容易克服。 在走马看上面的地图证明了这一点。 和我写详细,我们如何设法得到这个位置,在这个职位的第一部分。

      作为一个看不见的游戏,我们可以浪费我们的时间,在不同的理论永远拼接在一起,或者是提供给我们的信息采取行动。 我们已经尝试过做前者为过去8年来,它并没有帮助我们。 我认为这是关于时间,我们开始对这个问题的务实。

  • http://www.chowrangi.com Kashif

    它真的很难消化,如果事情是显而易见的,画在这里,为什么ISI和建立思维元首是无法对付的威胁? 我个人认为是发生在斯瓦特和FATA是一个大游戏的一部分,对巴基斯坦disection的领导。 和我们的成立是所有,但在游戏中的棋子。

    至于对人漠不关心的态度,我们已经看到这一切在卡拉奇。

    • http://abdullahsaad.com 萨阿德

      The threat might be obvious but its certainly not easy to over come. A cursory look at the map above proves it. And I've written in detail as to how we've managed to get to this position, in the first part of this post.

      As for an unseen game, we can either waste our time in perpetually stitching together different theories or act on information that is available to us. We've already tried doing the former for the last eight years and it hasn't helped us. I think it's about time that we started getting pragmatic about this issue.

  • farrah k raja

    Saad
    Excellent work particularly that you have come up with solutions.
    The problem is Muslims of Pakistan find it extremely hard to denounce even slaughter in the name of Islam.
    Since 1857 we are convinced ,Non-Muslims are our enemies,and Muslims are born to die for Islam.
    We do not look at things in a political scenario and we try to find answers in Religion.
    Why we never found it hard to Condemn Saddam when he invaded Kuwait?
    Why we never openly supported IRAQ /Iran War?Zia tried to bring re-conciliation.
    Same rationale should be applied here.
    Talibaan is not a problem of religion.It is a political problem.
    Talibaan are fighting to regain their control over region.
    Pakistan Army should pull out of coalation.and establish the strict border control.Ask USA to provide borbed wire around the border .
    People should be provided immunity for giving up arms.
    A border force should be raised with the help of local people who should petrol the border and control norcotics.

  • 法拉ķ拉贾

    萨阿德
    出色的工作,特别是你已经拿出解决​​方案。
    问题是巴基斯坦穆斯林发现它坚硬无比谴责在伊斯兰的名义,甚至屠宰。
    自1857年以来,我们深信,非穆斯林是我们的敌人,出生到死亡的伊斯兰教和穆斯林。
    我们在政治场景中的东西不看,我们试图在宗教中找到答案。
    我们从来没有发现它谴责萨达姆入侵科威特时,他为什么?
    为什么我们从来没有公开支持伊拉克/伊朗战争?齐亚试图带来重新调解。
    同样的理由也应适用于这里。
    不talibaan的religion.It问题是一个政治问题。
    talibaan的战斗,恢复他们对地区的控制。
    巴基斯坦军队应该拉出来,建立了严格的的边境control.Ask美国提供约边境borbed丝coalation.and。
    人应提供放弃武器的免疫力。
    一个边境部队应提高与归谁汽油的边境和控制norcotics,帮助当地人民。

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  • 哈塔克

    萨阿德,你做了良好的科研的TNSM历史和所有。 我谨问/虽然几个问题/意见:
    1。 在这里介绍的地图描绘的领域是不容易相互访问,你认为他们是非常高的山脉,并相互分离。 我斯瓦特长途跋涉从上层到上层目录,相信我的,即使在夏天非常乏味和奸诈Treck技术和关闭期间winters.So供应武器和弹药的路线打正规军,在如此巨大的数量是impossible.Same Treck技术通过上Swat.The唯一途径,他们可以得到这些军备shandur在玛湖Dand来从吉德拉尔真正的是他们如何通过定期road.And的是能够获得通过这种方式,它是一个开放的问题。
    2。 我同意你的评估,在斯瓦特和FATA的情况是直接的治理和失败对我们国家的一部分,吸收这些人在我们倍iefficeint风格的结果。
    3。 一切都归咎于平民政府免除我们的安全部队,从他们部分game.Talk,任何人从斯瓦特/直辖,你会知道那里正在发生什么。
    4。 这一切的一切,你是一个值得称道的努力,因为至少这给了我们希望有几个受过教育的人都在思考/写/读关于这些重要事项,我们的国家面临today.Please的尝试明白我想说之间线以上。

    • 萨阿德

      哈塔克,感谢您抽空阅读我写什么,我会高兴地讨论你提出的问题。

      1。 When you refer to supply of arms and ammunition and the routes that it involves, you're forgetting a couple of small facts. One, that these insurgencies (like many like 'em around the world) are not being fought with heavy weapons (on part of militants). The primary weapons in this case are; AK47 and RPGs. And two, the tactics used in the actual act of supply, which involves use of caches otherwise known as 'weapon caches' over large swaths of land. These caches are then are then mapped and the data is shared between militants. This way, militants have not only able to secure their weapon supplies, but it also makes it easy for them to drop their weapons, assimilate with the local populace, change their location and use a different weapons' cache for acquiring enough weaponry to perform guerilla attacks on the army. That said, if you read more in to all of the peace deals that have been reached between the government and the militants, from the time Gen. (r) Musharraf was in power until now, you'll see that militants made the army move out of their areas before even agreeing to talk with the government. What do you reckon they did during those times of so-called peace? I've posted an Al-Jazeera documentary discussing Pakistan's role in the war against terror, please do see it.

      And just so that I'm able to drive my point home, I'd like to mention the guerilla war in Kashmir as an example. The entire Indian Pakistani border has been barb wired and India has also placed several radars in order to check cross border infiltration and transportation of weapons. How do you reckon, Kashmiri militants have still been able to get access to weapons from across the border? It's not as if the two terrains are very much different from each other. It's tactics which matter, in wars such as these. This is not to excuse Pakistan Army, for any of their mistakes. I'm only trying to explain the situation.

      2。 I've not exonerated the security forces of their follies. And anyone who has read any of my writings over the course of last few years can testify that I've been way harsher on them than any other party of this conflict. But how am I supposed to ignore ANP's repeat of what Gen. (r) Musharraf did. And that is to start appeasing militants, on their terms. And in return, lose the edge that they held.

  • khattak

    Saad,you did good research on the history of TNSM and all that. I beg to ask/make a few questions/comments though:
    1。 The areas depicted in the map presented here are not as easily accessible from each other as you think they are and separated from each other by very high mountain ranges. I trekked from upper Swat to upper Dir and believe me its a very tedious and treacherous treck even in summers and is closed during winters.So supplies of arms and ammunition from that route in such huge quantities to fight a regular army is impossible.Same is true of the treck from Chitral which comes via shandur to Mahu Dand in upper Swat.The only way they can get these armaments is through the regular road.And how they are able to get it through that way is an open question.
    2。 I agree with your assessment that the situation in swat and FATA is directly a result of an iefficeint style of governance and failure on the part of our State to assimilate these people in our fold.
    3。 Blaming everything on the civilian administration is exonerating our security forces from thier part in the game.Talk to anyone from Swat/FATA and you will know what is happening there.
    4。 All in all yours is a commendable effort because atleast this gives us the hope that there are few educated people who are thinking/writing/reading about these crucial matters that our country faces today.Please try to understand what i am trying to say between the lines above.

    • http://abdullahsaad.com Saad

      Khattak, thank you for taking time out to read what I’ve written and I’ll be more than glad to discuss the points that you’ve raised.

      1。 When you refer to supply of arms and ammunition and the routes that it involves, you’re forgetting a couple of small facts. One, that these insurgencies (like many like ‘em around the world) are not being fought with heavy weapons (on part of militants). The primary weapons in this case are; AK47 and RPGs. And two, the tactics used in the actual act of supply, which involves use of caches otherwise known as ‘weapon caches’ over large swaths of land. These caches are then are then mapped and the data is shared between militants. This way, militants have not only able to secure their weapon supplies, but it also makes it easy for them to drop their weapons, assimilate with the local populace, change their location and use a different weapons’ cache for acquiring enough weaponry to perform guerilla attacks on the army. That said, if you read more in to all of the peace deals that have been reached between the government and the militants, from the time Gen. (r) Musharraf was in power until now, you’ll see that militants made the army move out of their areas before even agreeing to talk with the government. What do you reckon they did during those times of so-called peace? I’ve posted an Al-Jazeera documentary discussing Pakistan’s role in the war against terror, please do see it.

      And just so that I’m able to drive my point home, I’d like to mention the guerilla war in Kashmir as an example. The entire Indian Pakistani border has been barb wired and India has also placed several radars in order to check cross border infiltration and transportation of weapons. How do you reckon, Kashmiri militants have still been able to get access to weapons from across the border? It’s not as if the two terrains are very much different from each other. It’s tactics which matter, in wars such as these. This is not to excuse Pakistan Army, for any of their mistakes. I’m only trying to explain the situation.

      2。 I’ve not exonerated the security forces of their follies. And anyone who has read any of my writings over the course of last few years can testify that I’ve been way harsher on them than any other party of this conflict. But how am I supposed to ignore ANP’s repeat of what Gen. (r) Musharraf did. And that is to start appeasing militants, on their terms. And in return, lose the edge that they held.

  • minhaaj

    This article definitely shows your ignorance with your own religion, contemporary facts and westernization. Taliban has never been a problem in any significant way afaik. We helped them back in war against Russia. They are probably the only religious people alive who follow religion strictly apart from some uncircumcized indian agents incognito which have formed your views about them. I remember these people coming with goods on their back to sell in Pakistan back in my childhood and they treated my family as their own family often selling on credit. I do agree on the same sentence that only deficiency Taliban have is scientific education that, combined with their spirituality must have made the super power. No wonder George Bush was afraid of them when he said 'They were going to ruin our civilization on earth'.
    Anyways not bad for a westernized kid in Australia. Appreciate the time you took to go through the situation.

    • Saad

      感谢您的输入。 Just so that you know, I've spent more years in Pakistan (and in more areas of Pakistan than most Pakistanis that I know of) than I've lived outside Pakistan.

      That said, I'll really appreciate, that instead of divulging in to rhetoric, you'll engage me on points that I've raised in this post. I'll be more than glad to discuss them with you.

  • minhaaj

    This article definitely shows your ignorance with your own religion, contemporary facts and westernization. Taliban has never been a problem in any significant way afaik. We helped them back in war against Russia. They are probably the only religious people alive who follow religion strictly apart from some uncircumcized indian agents incognito which have formed your views about them. I remember these people coming with goods on their back to sell in Pakistan back in my childhood and they treated my family as their own family often selling on credit. I do agree on the same sentence that only deficiency Taliban have is scientific education that, combined with their spirituality must have made the super power. No wonder George Bush was afraid of them when he said 'They were going to ruin our civilization on earth'.
    Anyways not bad for a westernized kid in Australia. Appreciate the time you took to go through the situation.

    • http://abdullahsaad.com Saad

      感谢您的输入。 Just so that you know, I've spent more years in Pakistan (and in more areas of Pakistan than most Pakistanis that I know of) than I've lived outside Pakistan.

      That said, I'll really appreciate, that instead of divulging in to rhetoric, you'll engage me on points that I've raised in this post. I'll be more than glad to discuss them with you.

  • Muhammad Ziad Puri

    You raised some points?

    While you share the view of the preponderance, i see nothing topical in your post.

    I'll start by a naive argument that the arms to taliban or ttp (now) are supplied from within (Custom made, the army,isi and dead soldiers).Funds are channeled through the major cities of Pakistan and from that of Afghanistan, Saudia (sometimes from Uk as well)

    That said, the reasons you cited for Swat being a problem is immensely limp. It is as if the majority of swat supports the government or the establishment. Yes give them PAKISTAN made shariah and then what? you believe it will stay till there? is not the ultimate aim of this religion (whichever you follow,goal remains the same) to establish the word of their god throughout the whole universe?

    No matter where you live, whenever people will go in conflict for a god , bloodshed will be the result. For one party fights for the glory of his/her religion, expect massacres on a grand scale.

    This is my take on what should or can be done:

    If shariah is to be established, do it for the Muslims in Pakistan like that in Uk not in a particular region. We don't want separations neither can we afford it. Our education is completely flawed, a country where you are taught to justify that a part of your land never was meant to be yours (list down the main reason of why east and west Pakistan could not be together). We were not willing to let go of any muslim majority city at the time of independence, we even wanted Hyderabad in the middle of India , yet here we are justifying the separation of our land.

    The Army needs to be disciplined and pulled out from every conflict until they go through a proper training of racial,ethnic and social dealings. The practice of establishing rape camps and instilling fear in the hearts of people will always backfire, they should be taught on the levels of morality. You see the whole swat valley shall burn for the mistakes of few. I don't want to argue if Pakistan army adopts the strategy of rape in the conflict zones but i think history is the best reason to believe. Whereas Muslims
    made such a hue and cry for the serbs who raped more than 60000 bosniak women from 12-60 age in cycles , there till this date have no record of protest in Pakistan or realization that this army raped more than 40000 muslim women in its own land http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html .
    Those that were soldiers then are commanders and generals now.

    People will always opt for speedy justice and an army ranking higher in morality. If Islam is what drives the population of Swat , then my conclusion is give them the islamic force that they want, an islamic government for Pakistan, a fully compatible shariah on the wishes of the masses, not a custom made.

    Peace,although can never be achieved in an anarchic world but in a sovereign state this might be a twilight of hope.

    • Saad

      Ziad, I don't see why I'm made to keep repeating points that I've already made. But if you'd read the first part of this post, you'll see that I've mentioned exactly why does the local populace feel alienated towards the writ and law of the state of Pakistan. I'm not brushing that fact aside.

      That said, there has been absolutely no charge on part of any party, even the TTP / TNSM that PA has indulged in using rape as a weapon in Swat. So I don't really see the point behind such an indirect assertion, here.

      Thanks for commenting.

      • Muhammad Ziad Puri

        Then we shall wait for 4 years when the story is published about rape victims in Swat, like as it did recently in Baluchistan where the women who was missing from 4 years spoke about the rape camps operated by Pakistan army- Asian human rights watch. Happened in 2005 , published in 2009.

        So far human rights violation by Pakistan army in conflict zones (2001-2009)
        KILLING INNOCENT -CHECK (Everwhere)
        LOOTING-CHECK (Baluchistan,Swat,Fata)
        RAPE-CHECK (Farmers in Punjab http://www.hrw.org/en/node/11997/section/8 ,
        women in
        TORTURE-CHECK (Baluchistan and wide range of agencies under Pakistan army to ensure the practice remains)
        USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS-CHECK (lal masjid,swat valley,Bajaur agency)
        While i have the source for each allegation i have put, i would speak on behalf of ttp that rape as an instrument of war has been used in swat and fata region. http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/24/2349185-rape-sex-slavery-used-to-correct-genes
        reading this again might show you how Pakistan army controls the publishing of news particularly how the media defends rape as not a part of Pakistan army tactics (btw this is from asian human rights commision you can check it on their website but this person has put it well on his blog)
        It would be ignorant to deny the historical significance of my allegation, while in the case of the taliban you made sure to have mentioned the historical background of tnfm.

        • Saad

          I wasn't aware of these links, and these sure paint a very different picture of events from what I have in my mind.

          And no, I haven't divulged in to the historical significance of your allegation because until now, I was unaware of these claims.

  • Muhammad Ziad Puri

    You raised some points?

    While you share the view of the preponderance, i see nothing topical in your post.

    I'll start by a naive argument that the arms to taliban or ttp (now) are supplied from within (Custom made, the army,isi and dead soldiers).Funds are channeled through the major cities of Pakistan and from that of Afghanistan, Saudia (sometimes from Uk as well)

    That said, the reasons you cited for Swat being a problem is immensely limp. It is as if the majority of swat supports the government or the establishment. Yes give them PAKISTAN made shariah and then what? you believe it will stay till there? is not the ultimate aim of this religion (whichever you follow,goal remains the same) to establish the word of their god throughout the whole universe?

    No matter where you live, whenever people will go in conflict for a god , bloodshed will be the result. For one party fights for the glory of his/her religion, expect massacres on a grand scale.

    This is my take on what should or can be done:

    If shariah is to be established, do it for the Muslims in Pakistan like that in Uk not in a particular region. We don't want separations neither can we afford it. Our education is completely flawed, a country where you are taught to justify that a part of your land never was meant to be yours (list down the main reason of why east and west Pakistan could not be together). We were not willing to let go of any muslim majority city at the time of independence, we even wanted Hyderabad in the middle of India , yet here we are justifying the separation of our land.

    The Army needs to be disciplined and pulled out from every conflict until they go through a proper training of racial,ethnic and social dealings. The practice of establishing rape camps and instilling fear in the hearts of people will always backfire, they should be taught on the levels of morality. You see the whole swat valley shall burn for the mistakes of few. I don't want to argue if Pakistan army adopts the strategy of rape in the conflict zones but i think history is the best reason to believe. Whereas Muslims
    made such a hue and cry for the serbs who raped more than 60000 bosniak women from 12-60 age in cycles , there till this date have no record of protest in Pakistan or realization that this army raped more than 40000 muslim women in its own land http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html .
    Those that were soldiers then are commanders and generals now.

    People will always opt for speedy justice and an army ranking higher in morality. If Islam is what drives the population of Swat , then my conclusion is give them the islamic force that they want, an islamic government for Pakistan, a fully compatible shariah on the wishes of the masses, not a custom made.

    Peace,although can never be achieved in an anarchic world but in a sovereign state this might be a twilight of hope.

    • http://abdullahsaad.com Saad

      Ziad, I don't see why I'm made to keep repeating points that I've already made. But if you'd read the first part of this post, you'll see that I've mentioned exactly why does the local populace feel alienated towards the writ and law of the state of Pakistan. I'm not brushing that fact aside.

      That said, there has been absolutely no charge on part of any party, even the TTP / TNSM that PA has indulged in using rape as a weapon in Swat. So I don't really see the point behind such an indirect assertion, here.

      Thanks for commenting.

      • Muhammad Ziad Puri

        Then we shall wait for 4 years when the story is published about rape victims in Swat, like as it did recently in Baluchistan where the women who was missing from 4 years spoke about the rape camps operated by Pakistan army- Asian human rights watch. Happened in 2005 , published in 2009.

        So far human rights violation by Pakistan army in conflict zones (2001-2009)
        KILLING INNOCENT -CHECK (Everwhere)
        LOOTING-CHECK (Baluchistan,Swat,Fata)
        RAPE-CHECK (Farmers in Punjab http://www.hrw.org/en/node/11997/section/8 ,
        women in
        TORTURE-CHECK (Baluchistan and wide range of agencies under Pakistan army to ensure the practice remains)
        USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS-CHECK (lal masjid,swat valley,Bajaur agency)
        While i have the source for each allegation i have put, i would speak on behalf of ttp that rape as an instrument of war has been used in swat and fata region. http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/24/2349185-rape-sex-slavery-used-to-correct-genes
        reading this again might show you how Pakistan army controls the publishing of news particularly how the media defends rape as not a part of Pakistan army tactics (btw this is from asian human rights commision you can check it on their website but this person has put it well on his blog)
        It would be ignorant to deny the historical significance of my allegation, while in the case of the taliban you made sure to have mentioned the historical background of tnfm.

        • http://abdullahsaad.com Saad

          I wasn't aware of these links, and these sure paint a very different picture of events from what I have in my mind.

          And no, I haven't divulged in to the historical significance of your allegation because until now, I was unaware of these claims.